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Winning the Game of Work with Terry McDougall
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Winning the Game of Work with Terry McDougall

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Winning the game of work Terry McDougall SuccessQuest Podcast

Terry Boyle McDougall is an executive coach, speaker and author of Winning the Game of Work: Achieving Career Happiness and Success on Your Own Terms. She specializes in working with high- achieving leaders who are successful but not satisfied. Terry relies on both formal training as a coach and firsthand experience as a corporate leader to support her clients as they work towards their goals.

Prior to launching her coaching practice in 2017, Terry was a marketing leader within the financial services industry for 21 years. During her corporate career she led high-performing teams, developed and executed on marketing strategies and advised senior leaders. She leverages her understanding of large, complex organizations to help her clients effectively navigate the interpersonal and political dynamics that exist in business. 

Episode highlights:

  • When what you like to do is aligned with what you’re expected to do, there’s a lot more flow and less resistance.
  • Look at your skills and learn how you can repackage them in a way that aligns better with your interests and passions. 
  • FIRST: Define what happiness looks like. Define what you want. 
  • SECOND: Look at where you are and where you’d like to be and create a plan to close that gap.
  • It’s not the things that happen to you, but what you think about the things that happen to you. 
  • You always have a choice. You have power over your own life. 
  • “There IS a sweet spot where career success and personal happiness intersect.”
  • “What other people think of you is none of your business.”

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Kalob Valle: [00:00:15] All right. Welcome back questions to another episode of success quest, I'm your host, Kayla via. I am so excited today. Like I am every day when we have a podcast. So we have a guest on our podcast today. I want to introduce to you guys. I'm a certified professional coach and author and motivational speaker.

Her name is Terry McDougall. We are so glad to have you here, Terry, how are you doing

Terry McDougall: [00:00:33] today? .I am great. I couldn't be happier to be here with you and all the clusters out there. Yeah. We're

Kalob Valle: [00:00:41] excited. And we're so honored to have you, especially, you talk a little bit about your book. That's coming out here soon.

but questers, I'm going to give Terry A. Little bit of time and introduce herself. tell her, go ahead and tell us, tell the questions a little bit about you and how you came to be, I guess.

Terry McDougall: [00:00:54] Yeah. Hi everybody. So, um, Terry McDougall, I am a certified professional coach. I work with people who are successful, but not satisfied with where they are their career.

So I ended up working with a lot, yeah. High achieving people who have done all of the right things, followed the rules that they thought they were supposed to to get ahead in their careers. And a lot of times they find themselves at a crossroad and wondering. What they need to do to feel happy in addition to feeling successful at work.

So, um, I actually spent 30 years in the corporate workforce. Um, I have an MBA I've, you know, I followed this path. I actually coach people that are like, I used to be, um, Where I was always wondering, what do I need to do to get ahead? I felt like I was, I was following the rules, but a lot of times I would kind of end up running into obstacles and I couldn't figure out how to get around them.

Um, so through learning a lot of things through the school of hard knocks, having some good mentors, um, engaging with coaches, myself, I learned a lot of the unwritten rules of how you get ahead in the world place. And that's what I actually coach people on. And that's what my book winning the game of work is about as well.

Yes. Oh, I'm so

Kalob Valle: [00:02:11] excited that you brought that two because that's exactly questions. What we're going to be talking about here today is her book that she's written. It's it's, it's in the process of being published right now. I don't know exactly when I think she, she alluded to April a little bit before we talked on the podcast, but it's called winning the game of work.

And I'm excited about this because I feel like we talk a lot. Um, maybe about business, maybe about not being happy at work, but never really, really how to make work, work for you. Right. And so I think I get really excited about that because, um, everyone's working, you have to work, survive.  so this applies to everyone,  because what, what you want to do now is find happiness or be able to.

Change your perspective in a way that makes that work beneficial for you? Am I, am I kind of close to what you

Terry McDougall: [00:02:54] absolutely. Absolutely. Um, as when, when people can step fully into who they are, You know, authentically and be unafraid about showing up that way and start looking at the world to see, like, where do I fit here and, and kind of accepting themselves for who they are and showing up that way.

You can find so such better matches in the workplace. And when, when, what you like to do is aligned with what you're expected to do. There's a lot more flow and there's a lot less resistance. And so that's, that's what I'm all about is like really helping people figure out who they are and then how they can add value in a way that they will feel satisfied with in the workplace.

Kalob Valle: [00:03:40] That's awesome. Well, let's just dive straight into it. Then I have a lot of questions and I'm intrigued to see where this podcast goes, honestly. But my first, most important question, I think just to start this all off, are you, is your main message telling people to, if you don't like your work, get out of it, or is it about finding how to make that work, that you're in more pleasant or find a way to change your perspective?

Terry McDougall: [00:04:05] That is a great question, Caleb. And what I would say is it depends, right? Because I teach people both how to be more effective in the workplace. And sometimes that's the issue. It's not that, you know, they, they chose their career because they knew it was something that they were going to like, and they're good at.

But sometimes the sticking points are really more around things. Like they don't know how to delegate. They don't know how to manage their priorities. They don't know how to have tough conversations. And quite frankly, if they go out in the workplace and they're like, Oh, I don't like this job and I'm going to quit it because it's uncomfortable.

They're going to find that the same issues. Keep following them around to other jobs. Cause it's not the job it's there, you know, that they have some skill gaps of how they are effective in the role. Um, but I will also say, say that sometimes people follow a path that maybe is pretty far away from what their natural motivations are.

And sometimes this is because like mom or dad say, you know, You should be an accountant because nothing against, I actually have clients.

Kalob Valle: [00:05:16] I'm just

Terry McDougall: [00:05:17] saying this, like, you know, because that actually is a really solid, um, profession. And it's one that if you're an accountant, a lot of times, you know, there's always needs for accountants and you can make a decent living doing that, but not everybody is cut out to be an accountant.

There's, you know, for somebody like me, who's pretty creative. And I like to be around people. Could I, yeah, I took accounting in college and in business school, but that would not fulfill where I get my Yas. You know, that for some people they love that I was, she just saw a woman the other day and she was like super passionate about accounting and it led her down a really successful career path.

But, um, So, I guess going back to your question, it depends. Is it an issue where you need the skills or is that, is it that you followed a career path that's very far from your natural motivational drivers?

Kalob Valle: [00:06:14] Yeah. And I feel like I run into this a lot with people there. They're trying to determine that right there.

Right. Like, do I need, do I leave the career that I've kind of spent a long time developing so I can be in it because I have like a different passion or is it because. I lack something in there. And I feel like maybe the process for that is obviously looking inward, right? Like how are you dreading your job because of things you can't do or haven't been doing, or is it because it really just, isn't a passion of yours, right?

How do you deal with clients in that round? How do you get people to maybe understand more of if it's them versus if it's the

Terry McDougall: [00:06:51] Mmm. It's it's really one of those peeling, the onion type things, right? Like will believe me the first conversation with anybody that comes to me. There's a reason why they're coming to me.

They're having some kind of pain in their life. And so I will just explore that with them and, and start to listen for. Okay. Is it that, you know, They're avoiding, like having a difficult conversation with their boss or somebody on their team, is it they're feeling overwhelmed by all the work that needs to be done.

And I'm hearing that there's opportunities for being more efficient or is it that like the core part of the job is the part that they hate. Right? Like, I don't let you know, they say they're a copywriter and they have to sit down and write. You know, five hours a day. That's a problem, right? If you don't like writing and your copywriter, that's going to be a problem.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, and I will tell you, one of the other things that happens frequently is that people will come in to me and they'll say, well, I'm a it project manager. And I, uh, I've been doing this for 15 years and I hate it. But, um, I can't do anything else. Cause I make too much money, you know, and they're thinking like, Oh, I've, you know, I want to do something different.

Yeah. And what I do with people then is that we, we do sort of an inventory of their skillset and we look for, okay, how can we repackage these in different ways? And in addition to that, we will think about like, what would you like to do? What do you love doing? And so for example, you know, and using that.

You know, it project manager, they have project management skills. Maybe they're not thrilled by doing, you know, managing scrums or whatever. Um, but they really would rather do something that's in the nonprofit world. Those are transferable skills. So it's, it's really a matter of, um, Figuring out what you want to do, looking at the skills that you have thinking about how you can repackage those, and also looking at the gaps that you have between where you are and where you'd like to be.

And. You know, start, start to figure out how can you bridge those gaps. And a lot of times it's not as monumental of a task is what people believe because, uh, there are open minded hiring managers out there who can see that, Oh, if you could manage it projects, you could also manage, you know, a program that we're doing at this nonprofit, you know, and then, and then it's just sort of a matter of getting out and saying, how do I get in front of those people so that I can tell my story?

Kalob Valle: [00:09:32] This is very fascinating. I love this. I actually kind of want to go back to, um, so we're, we're talking about someone who's in the workplace and let's say, I mean, they're getting to the core of why they don't like being at work. Maybe it is something to do with their boss. Maybe it has something to do with their surroundings.

Maybe it's because they've been falling through on a lot of promises that they've been making. I don't know. There could be a lot of different things, but, um, How what's the first step you take with those types of people in the workplace to help them view the workplace as maybe more of a stepping stone in their life to, um, to helping them change their perspective and get on the ball, rolling.

Making them realize that work is actually good for them. The work where they're at, this is where they need to be. They just need

Terry McDougall: [00:10:11] to. Yeah, well I think really the first step is to help them envision what they want. So it could be that.  I like my job and I just wish that my boss would recognize,  the contributions that I make, or I wish that I worked in California.

I mean, whatever, whatever it is, whatever the thing is that they want. Giving them a safe place to say it out loud because you can't accomplish something unless you know what it is that you're trying to accomplish. And I think a lot of times people will protect themselves from being honest about what they want, because they're afraid that they'll never have it.

And  one of the beauties of being a coach is that I work with a lot of people and I've seen people that have. Taken the, that courageous leap and in,  just to say what it is that they want. And I can say, listen, I had a, a client that was in a similar situation. And when they were, when they had enough courage to say what they wanted, they were able to start making progress and they actually got that.


Kalob Valle: [00:11:19] wow. That's incredible.

Terry McDougall: [00:11:21] I bet it's the first step. You're not going to ever be happier unless you can define. Even loosely what happiness looks like.

Kalob Valle: [00:11:28] Exactly. I love that. The first thing you gotta do is vocalize, right? The things that you want, like if you're at work and you're like, you're dreading it for some reason, but you like it working, you needed to sit down with someone, even if it's just yourself, a write it down somewhere.

This is a very simple thing you can do, right? You have to vocalize why. Yeah, you'd be really honest with yourself. Why don't you like it right now? What are you dreading? Is it your boss? Is it like deadlines? Is it coworkers? And once you figure that out now, you know where to start right now. You know what the next step kind of is.

If it's something with your boss, now you just maybe be a little bit brave and that can be hard.

Terry McDougall: [00:12:07] Yeah, absolutely. And, and, you know, speaking of that, a lot of times, the reason why people don't do that thing is because they start editing and judging themselves before they even get it out. Um, and I say to people, these are two separate things.

You can, you can say what you want. This is one thing saying what you want. The second thing is figuring out how you're going to get it. And a lot of times people combine those things and they it's like a big knot, right? Because they're like, well, I want this, but I can't have it because of this. Right. And it, it's a, it's a self protective thing.

This is why, you know, everybody does it. Like we try to protect ourselves from, you know, danger or being hurt. And we're afraid, you know, like if I say what I want and I don't get it, I'm going to be disappointed. And, um, but it's separate things. And, you know, I just try to provide a safe place for people to recognize that it's okay to want those things.

Kalob Valle: [00:13:12] Yeah, and I actually, you're bringing this whole thing up. I feel like now that I've talked to some, how many different coaches before, um, life coaches or whatever, um, that the, the one thing they're constantly fighting in their clients is fear. There's so much there. People are so scared to deal with things because, or maybe because they're feeling judged maybe.

Cause I feel like they're not like they're beating themselves up and it's, it's, it's just ridiculous. It's so hard for me to see that.

Terry McDougall: [00:13:42] Yeah. It's natural. And you know, that's, I think that a lot of times people will feel ashamed because they're afraid and. I look at it like, you know, fear, we all have fear and we need fear.

Cause fear actually keeps us safe. Yes. Sometimes we're fearful of things that actually aren't dangerous or they're not as dangerous as we think, because we've got a lot of beliefs that we have that came from something that happened to us a long time in our lives. And, um, you know, believe it or not, a lot of, even though I'm an executive coach.

A lot of times when we trace those beliefs back, they go back to childhood, you know where,  Oh yeah. People's parents, parents did it. They parented them in a certain no way. And so they people think like, Oh, I have to do it this way. And I say like, okay, well, yeah, when you were 10 years old, you were going to get in trouble.

If you didn't do what your mom said, but you're 35 now. And you actually have. You can choose whether you follow that rule anymore. Cause it might not be serving you well anymore. And, and a lot of times people just don't think about it. It's sort of like you, it's your it's in your operating system. You know, if we use that computer analogy, um, it's in your operating system, you don't even think about it, but if there's a glitch there, it's going to cause you to do things that aren't.

Optimal. And I just try to like shine a light on what's going on in there. Okay. Does this still serve you or should we work together to replace that belief with something that's, it's better because it's not, it's not really the things that happen to you. It's what you think about the things that happen to you.

And I'd actually like to use an example that. Um, my son is out of college and he's working now and he was, he just got a new manager and he was sort of complaining about his manager and, um, And he was being, he was getting like really angry and judgmental about like the stuff that his manager was having him do.

And I said, okay, here's what I want you to realize is that this is not about the things that your manager says. It's about what you think about what the manager said. And I think my son was having all these. Thoughts that, you know, the manager didn't trust him and that he was making judgements, that my son didn't know what he was doing.

And I said, okay, think of it this way. Like the siren goes by and you know, an ambulance or fire truck goes by outside and there's a siren going on. Like it's totally annoying. Right. But when it, when it goes by, you don't say to yourself, like, you know, Oh, they did that on purpose. Or that was a judgment around me.

Like you had to live through it, but. It's gone. As soon as it's gone, it's gone and we can do the same thing with when people come to us and, and you know, the boss is coming and giving us some feedback and we don't, we don't like it. Like you can live through it. You can decide what you're going to do in that moment.

But it's what happens afterwards if you're like walking around. Yeah. And you're like, Oh my God, can you believe he came and told me to do this or that? You know, he must not think that I know what I'm doing. That's the problem right there. It's what you think. It's not what they did.

Kalob Valle: [00:16:49] Yep. And it boils down to your perspective. Yeah. It boils down to your perspective and then you have to break that down. Even further. Their perspective comes from what they they're about their past and everything stems from that. Um, which is so intriguing to me. and I love that because at the same time, I've always, I've always struggled with this idea.

Cause I want to, like, in those moments, I think a coach's job is to try and instill courage. Or instill bravery into people. I think that helps them overcome the fear that they're being judged or that people are thinking badly about them all the time or that people are out to get them. But it's so much more than just this superficial throw on kind of like a towel over them and say like, now you're brave, you know, you have to really dig deep because it goes, it goes back to some

Terry McDougall: [00:17:31] people they're it, it's there, you know, and it's not, it's really not about.

You know me instilling it in them. It's in me, helping them discover it. Cause it's there within them leave that, you know, people don't envision something and less than they have a capability of making. Can it happen? You know, I just don't think that you would envision it unless you had the capability to make it happen and you want it.

Yeah. Yeah, totally. Uh, you know, so that's, I mean, I'm a very optimistic person, but that's part of what I bring is like, yeah. I believe that you can do this.

Kalob Valle: [00:18:07] I love that the clusters, I really want you to kind of maybe like take that for what she's saying. You have bravery already in you, you know, all these things that you're so scared of, maybe at work, especially, that's kind of what we're talking about.

you are capable, right? You were born innately with the ability to be courageous. To do hard things to overcome obstacles. Um, and I love Terry that this is part of your kind of like calling, I guess in life, you help people discover that because it's buried underneath so many different things.

Terry McDougall: [00:18:40] It's judgment, it's it's judgment. And I mean, it does start with other people's judgment of us, but ultimately it's our judgment of ourselves. And do we think that we're good enough? Do we, you know, we're afraid of what somebody else is going to say, and we can choose. Whether to validate other people's judgment of us or not.

Yeah. You know, and I think all of us probably have examples where, you know, one person's opinion means much more to us than somebody else's like, you know, say if you have an account or with somebody just out on the street, maybe you can like brush that off pretty easily. Cause they don't mean anything to you.

But, um, on the other hand, like maybe your parents or your. Significant other, like, if they have a judgment of you, it's going to hurt a little bit more, but you can also choose how much you validate that. Yeah. You know,

Kalob Valle: [00:19:28] in the end, you're the one who has the, all that control. I feel like people give up a lot of their control and they do it willingly almost, you know, it might be societal that that's why it's so easy for them to do so.

And they don't realize that they can pull in those rains anytime, you know,

Terry McDougall: [00:19:44] there's power there. Yeah. Yeah. There is. And I, I think that a lot of the times it's because of fear of conflict, but conflict. Doesn't even necessarily need to be conflict, you know, it can just be, you know, a difference of opinion and you know, sometimes other people feel like they should have more control over you.

And sometimes we may even believe that that's true. Um, and especially if it's somebody that's in a position of authority, but the reality is that, you know, we can, we can determine our own path and it's not necessarily that like, For example, I was talking about this earlier, when people come to me and they'll say, Oh, I really want to do this, but I can't because of this.

And I'm like, well, actually you can do that. It doesn't mean it's not going to come without, um, you know, uh, consequences. Right? Um, like for example, if you want to quit your job, cause people say, I hate my job, but I can't quit. And I was like, You actually can quit. You, you have it within you to quit. Now, what you're going to do when you quit for money is a different situation, right?

But once you start thinking that, like, you know what, I hate my job so much and my health and relationships are suffering. You know, what if I quit. Like once you allow that to be a possibility, you may realize like, Oh, I actually have money in savings or I could, you know, move back in with my parents and get a job someplace else.

Or there's, there's a lot more options once you recognize that, actually you can do that because I say to people, you're always at choice. Anytime anybody says I should do this, or I have to do this. And I'm like, well, you can choose to do that. It feels really different too. I mean, if you think about like, Oh, I have, I have to do this or I should do this.

It feels super heavy. But if you say, well, I choose to do this. It feels pretty empowering.

Kalob Valle: [00:21:35] Nice. Exactly. I was about to use that exact same word. Very powerful. I love that. And I feel like this is exactly what's I'm at the crux of your book, right? I mean, this is what it's all about that, um, if you could actually even tell me what what's, maybe like the cornerstone of your book, what's like the main principle and message that you're trying to get out to people with this book.

Terry McDougall: [00:21:57] Yeah, it's really that, um, there is a sweet spot where career success and personal happiness intersect. And, you know, I think there are a lot of people out there that tell themselves that if I want to be successful, I have to sacrifice so much. And I guess I kind of look at that and I say, what's the point, right?

Because, because if you know, you're making a lot of money and you got the big job title and so forth. And you're not happy. Why are you doing it? You know, like some people will actually even say and believe me, I talk with people that are in their fifties, that don't like what they're doing. And they're like, well, I don't know what else to do.

And I'm like, okay, well you're not retiring until for 15 years. Yeah. You still got a lot of time, not a long time, right? So, you know, can you allow yourself to believe that there's something different and better out there for you? And, you know, might not mean that you're going to keep moving up the corporate ladder and making more and more money and getting a higher title.

But, you know, once you recognize that it's really up to you to decide, to decide what success looks like for you and not, and again, not worry about how other people judge you. You know, I always say that, um, what other people think of you is none of your business, right? You never know what other people think of you.

Right. And so we can be like, thinking like, Oh, that person thinks this of me. So I'm going to do this. You don't know what they think they could either like think really positive you Lee about you, or they might not like you, no matter what you do. So why are you trying to please them or

Kalob Valle: [00:23:35] not even, they don't have the time to think about you.

I guess the biggest thing I think we give ourselves too much credit.

Terry McDougall: [00:23:41] I agree with you a hundred percent. I think most people are so concerned about themselves. Selves that they're not even paying attention to what other people are doing. It's kind of a

Kalob Valle: [00:23:50] weird concept. Yeah, man, if I'm so worried that people are judging me all the time, it's like, man, I must think I am at the center of all, you know, it boils down to, with that concept and maybe even a small way.

But, um, you gotta get in your heads. Questers everyone who's listening to this. You, you were probably giving yourself way too much credit, you know?

Terry McDougall: [00:24:11] Oh my gosh. Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. And, and here's another thing I would tell you that, you know, I work with people that are like, you know, executive vice president.

I mean, and sometimes whenever they will reach out to me, I'll look them up on LinkedIn and I'm like, Oh my gosh, like this person is so successful and they work for this great company and what could I possibly do for them? When I start talking with them, like even people that have like, gotten that brass ring, they've got insecurities too.

Right. So it's just about people that are like moving up in the beginning or middle of their career. Like some people that you think like, Oh, of course they must feel super satisfied. You know, it's just a human condition,

Kalob Valle: [00:24:52] right.

Terry McDougall: [00:24:54] Nobody's really immune to it.

Kalob Valle: [00:24:57] I, yeah, I've, I've heard it in so many ways. And one of my favorite ways was, um, Dean Graziosi.

He was telling you that everyone just is born with this VIP membership to the self Peter's club. And we all, we all just constantly are beating ourselves up for maybe even no reason at all, you know?

Terry McDougall: [00:25:15] Well, well, the other thing is that we also are all born with the key to the self love club and we can use that and unlock it and walk in.

And accept ourselves and love ourselves at any point. And we can start to view other people's judgment of us as like that siren going by, you know, that, okay, whatever. I might have to endure this as it's going by, but then just let it go. Right?

Kalob Valle: [00:25:44] Like let it go. Right.

Terry McDougall: [00:25:46] Wow. Control of that's right. It sounds easy.

Like I know if everybody, if everybody was able to step into it a hundred percent without. Yeah. You know, I wouldn't have a job, but, um,

Kalob Valle: [00:26:00] but the concept very conceptually it is, it is much more simple than people make it out to be.

Terry McDougall: [00:26:05] Yeah. I mean it's, and I don't want to make it sound like. It's easy because there's so much programming that goes into us.

Um, you know, throughout our whole lives until we, and a lot of times like things that we've done in the past worked really well for us, but then maybe circumstances changed or we rise up higher in an organization or other things change. And. What got us here is not going to get us there. Right. And we're wondering like, well, this worked for me up until now.

Why is it not working anymore? And you know what? I try to help people do that. Start to see what's different here. And what do you need to do differently to succeed in this new environment? You know, cause things are evolving. They're evolving around us. We're, we're growing and we're changing. You know, like I, I was a marketer for 30 years and I Rose to a good level where I was heading marketing for a few different businesses and you know, just the kind of person that I am, that as I master things I want to, I want new challenges.

Right. And I think a lot of people are like that. And. You know, you get to a certain point. You're like, well, yeah, I used to like to do that, but it's not that interesting for me anymore. And so what's next and that can be, I can feel frustrating when you're coming in and you're expect to do that, to do the same thing.

And you want more, but you don't know what that more is.

Kalob Valle: [00:27:29] Yeah. I love that. And I think you're kind of getting at the crux to of why it's so important to even have coaches in the beginning. You know, they really, maybe coaches don't have the answers to everything, but it's about that guide, you know, shining the light.

Like you alluded earlier, helping people take steps in the dark when it can be very scary and very difficult. Um, I appreciate coaches and mentors in my life. So, I mean, this is, it's so important. It's so important.

Terry McDougall: [00:27:54] Oh, can I, I just wanted to say one thing about that. Like you're absolutely right. Like.

Coaches do not have the answers, but I believe that my clients have the answers about themselves and the role that I play. I say this to people all the time and they always laugh that you cannot read the label from inside the bottle. Like we're just walking around in the world, being ourselves and we can't really see how other people see us.

Right. And we also often can't see our own biggest strengths because. You know, it's so innate to us, we're like, Oh, everybody can do this. And what I do is hold a mirror up to people. And I say, no, not everybody cannot do that. That's your super power. And you're not even valuing it. Like what, if you stepped into that and you were like, yeah, I'm really good at this.

And if, if you, if you told people about the things you're good at, they'd be like, Oh wow, we could use that. Right. But sometimes we just hide it under the bushel basket and we're like, Oh, everybody can do that. I'm not going to say anything

Kalob Valle: [00:28:55] so horrible, but it's true.

Terry McDougall: [00:28:58] Protecting ourselves, you know, we just don't want to be.

You know, we think, Oh, it's no big deal. Right.

Kalob Valle: [00:29:04] I love this conversation so much. I, and this is the thing I love conversation like this because I could, I think we could go on for a long time about the psychology behind it, the simple techniques that you can put into place into your life. And I think. Um, I think I'm going to stop our pockets right here.

Cause I want to give our questions, a taste for what you have to, to, to add into their lives. The value that you can bring. Um, question is honestly the, the book she's writing. I love her idea in the message she is. I endorsed her, right, like vocally and I think she's doing a great job. So if you haven't been, if you have been enjoying this episode up to this point, you have found value in anything that we've been saying.

Check her out. You know, the look is coming out in April, 2020. You can check her out at our website. Um, Terry B McDougall with two L's dot com and you can preorder the book right now. It's not going to be something expensive, right? You're not going to pay 70, 80 bucks for this, you know, it's, um, these are simple, easy things that you can get in touch with simple, easy resources and tools that you can use to better your life and better yourself.

Um, but Terry, I mean, since we're running out of time, I would like to ask you one final question. One question, I ask everybody, um, it's a little cliche, but I love it. Um, because I, I, I feel like it really puts into perspective, the type of people that you are, the type of person that you are. Um, but if you had a chance to speak with everyone in the world and you had like a 32nd message or you could send to everyone at one time, um, what would it be?

Terry McDougall: [00:30:31] Um, what I would say is that there's nobody else out here. Like yeah, you are, you are here on earth for a reason and bye you being, you, you are going to make the world a better place. That's your purpose for being here on earth?

Kalob Valle: [00:30:53] That's awesome. I'm not even going to add anything to that. That's the microphone right there.

Thank you so much, Terry, for being on this podcast with me, this has been so insightful and so helpful on in my own journey to finding success. I love that you are very direct with everything you have to say. You have a lot of amazing experience. Um, so I love what you got going on and we support you here at success quest.

Terry McDougall: [00:31:14] Seriously. Thanks Kalob. It was great being here and a shout out to all you questers out there.

Kalob Valle: [00:31:22] This is going to be great. So you guys remember check her out. Don't forget if we always are asking about this on every podcast, it's so important to us that we can do the best we can for you. We want to hear your feedback.

If you enjoyed this episode for any good reason, let us know if you enjoyed it. If you didn't enjoy it, and there was a battery, you were like, I didn't like this at all. Please message us. Terry is probably the same exact way we just want to become better. So don't hesitate to send us an email. You can go to our website, you can go to our social media, you can DM us.

Uh, we're open to all of those things. Um, also we come up with episodes every Thursday and they're going to be people who are just as amazing as Terry people who I feel like should be a part of your day to day life, who you should be. You should be surrounding yourself with people who inspire you and motivate you.

Terry is one of those, one of those people, , So make sure to check us out every Thursday. We're so excited to have you guys on the show and we'll be listening to us. And yeah, there's the, there's the book here. Say something to me. So the video goes to you real quick.

Terry McDougall: [00:32:17] Yeah, here's my book. This is, this is what the cover is going to look like.

It's coming out the first week in April. So check it out on Amazon and Barnes and noble,

Kalob Valle: [00:32:26] so excited. All right. Thank you so much questions for listening and tuning in today and we'll see you guys next week.